November 02, 9:26
Sean is a "professional Java coder" that has been working a lot with Ruby on Rails, lately. He's not particularly fond of the knee-jerk reactions coming out of the Java community in response to Trails (and the attempt to recreate Rails in Java):
And looking at the comments on TSS, I see the usual and expected condescending commentary that makes me ashamed to be a Java programmer. The most prevalent is the "cute, but too simple and can't possibly handle my manly enterprise needs" crowd. My experience thus far with Ruby on Rails says otherwise.
Before anyone asks or feels compelled to criticize me for obviously not understanding enterprise needs - yes, I do happen to deal with enterprise data. But I don't use it as an excuse to toss out new languages any more than I would insist that an enterprise system needs to stay on a mainframe.
I'm thrilled to have Sean on board. The Java community certainly has tons to teach Ruby on Rails. It already has in form of the inspirations that Rails have drawn from Hibernate, Struts, WebWork, Tapestry, and other great Java frameworks.
If only more of them could come to terms with the fact that J2EE isn't the last stop on the enterprise ride — the rails go on.
Challenge by moge on November 02, 17:52
By enterprise a lot of j2ee people refer to the issues and questions raised by Will in the Ruby on Rails approximations in Java entry. Messaging, transactions, security and integration and not just ability to develop webapps.
Challenge by Dion Almaer on November 02, 19:50
Don't think that the entire community thinks that Rails != enterprise.
There are many people out there that are able to see the good in BOTH Java tech, and Ruby tech (and others).
Choice is good. Being able to use the right tool for the job is good.
Rails is great :)
Cheers,
Dion
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moge, please don't bring actual facts into this; it makes comparing apples and oranges so much harder, mmmkay? ;-)
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